tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3761818636919513619.post6656275733723913782..comments2024-03-28T02:17:51.115-05:00Comments on Commercial Poetry: Great Poems of Our Time: "Beans"Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3761818636919513619.post-16345684976193346062020-07-23T18:38:27.011-05:002020-07-23T18:38:27.011-05:00As far as we know, DPK wrote "Beans", &q...As far as we know, DPK wrote "Beans", "Joie de Mourir", "Heartbreaker" (aka "Eve Marie"), and "Leaving Santiago". She reappeared with her elegy for Maz, "Margaret Ann". All of her works are in the public domain.<br /><br />"PET" and "Tecumseh" are unattributed and Creative Commons. Of course, "We Real Cool" is by Gwendolyn Brooks, "The Red Wheel Barrow" is W.C. Williams, and "Plea" is by A. Michael Juster.Earl the Squirrelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03740374291537401772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3761818636919513619.post-43992647645130942132020-07-23T16:09:28.882-05:002020-07-23T16:09:28.882-05:00Hello,
Being the big authority on curginas I wonde...Hello,<br />Being the big authority on curginas I wondered if you could tell me who wrote these poems on this site. (Williams and Brooks excluded of course.)<br /><br />Regards,<br />W T Clark<br />PS: Three by Kristalo?<br /><br />http://www.firesides.ca/curginas.htm#TecumsehW T Clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06291725127757482221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3761818636919513619.post-42327528045607987362020-07-13T10:52:40.484-05:002020-07-13T10:52:40.484-05:00Good question! It is important to understand the ... Good question! It is important to understand the level of critique involved in these places. Without exaggeration, a person could learn more from one such post than in a year at Linebreaker University or a lifetime elsewhere.<br /><br /> DPK's time on Poets.org was brief, on Gazebo shorter still. She was neither a social butterfly nor a prolific critiquer but, based on our collective recollection, would have been in a class with Maz and Hannah Craig, though perhaps not quite their equal. Still, infinitely better than the interpretation & biography that passes for criticism everywhere else. In our opinion, of the ten great 21st century poets, Maz, DPK, Julie Carter and Rose Kelleher wrote the best critiques.<br /><br /> The demise of Poets.org was far more abrupt than Gazebo's. New elements on the Poets.org board eliminated the critical forum, citing some problems with hacking as a final straw. <br /><br /> A lot of Gazebo's better critics left after a dispute over an administrative decision, from which it never fully recovered.<br /><br /> Both departures occurred about a decade ago. PFFA and Eratosphere are still available, and there are one or two Facebook groups from survivors.Earl the Squirrelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03740374291537401772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3761818636919513619.post-2766607592194832322020-07-13T08:38:31.706-05:002020-07-13T08:38:31.706-05:00What — if you know of course — was D.P.K like on G...What — if you know of course — was D.P.K like on Gazebo and poets.org? Was she as good a critic as Maz, or was her greatness only in her work. <br /><br />(BTW, why/when did Gazebo and poets.org fail?)W T Clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06291725127757482221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3761818636919513619.post-38760653573798794532018-05-28T11:27:52.373-05:002018-05-28T11:27:52.373-05:00Aside from being a memory aid, brevity can be a me...Aside from being a memory aid, brevity can be a mercy.Earl the Squirrelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03740374291537401772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3761818636919513619.post-41239922548178835852017-12-18T15:03:46.149-06:002017-12-18T15:03:46.149-06:00Anon has it right though ignoring an essential of ...Anon has it right though ignoring an essential of most poetry that ordinary folk respond to: content, poems that say something about the human condition and are not simply the predominant slices of life and personal stories, meaning poems with clear takeaways, like my mine attached especially nonpunishable because of its brevity:<br /><br /> SOFT LOVE<br /><br />Of love's gentleness she dreamt<br />with little hope or feigned attempt<br />to whisk away his manly moves<br />which no caring love behooves.<br />He wants hard not soft romance<br />Soft be gone for another chance.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17038988864879433570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3761818636919513619.post-66404937991296079842015-11-11T18:55:35.394-06:002015-11-11T18:55:35.394-06:00Please see my response to Kyle. I hope you will l...Please see my response to Kyle. I hope you will let us know how your view changes once you take into account the context, technique and forms. I'd be especially curious to see if and when you can appreciate the irony of calling this elegy "inoffensive".Earl the Squirrelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03740374291537401772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3761818636919513619.post-35430784752863353852015-11-06T01:47:19.625-06:002015-11-06T01:47:19.625-06:00This is not even remotely a great poem. It is frai...This is not even remotely a great poem. It is frail, bland and inoffensive. What happened to imagination and passion? The reason even intelligent readers tend to ignore contemporary poetry (or neglect, as you would have it)is because it resembles this crap. If you find delight in this, then maybe you're living in a masturbatory little echo-chamber. I want poetry that moves and challenges me to rethink existence, and as a reader I won't settle for this crap. And as a poet, I wouldn't settle for writing this little nugget of blandness. And as a critic or editor, I wouldn't settle for praising it so damn highly. What has poetry become if this is 'great'? That is what readers who are not directly involved in the closeted world of contemporary poetry ask themselves. This is no better than Billy Collins; maybe when you want to experience poetry beyond this blogosphere-tailored rot, you should go back and read real masters: Shakespeare, Donne, Blake, Keats, Shelley, Whitman, Dickinson, Browning, Rimbaud, etc., etc. Readers are hungry for a feast and you turds are giving them a packet of gum and telling them it is a feast. No wonder no one except contemporary poetry types care about contemporary poetry; anyone with a cultural memory extending beyond the past few decades would read this and find it out right pretentious and dumb. Nothing vital in it, nothing beautiful or imaginative, just learned stupidity, like most 'good' contemporary poetry. If poetry is to be a great and vital artform again, its going to take poets who can transcend this stupidity, poets who aren't content to pluck a lesser fruit from a low bough. We need a visionary. The imagination yearns for its torch-bearer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3761818636919513619.post-80367573729520572922015-01-29T11:36:10.960-06:002015-01-29T11:36:10.960-06:00Kyle:
Any presentation is designed to put th...Kyle:<br /><br /> Any presentation is designed to put the product in its best light. Unfortunately, very few are interested in poetry. Instead, those of us who care about the art form beyond using it as a megaphone make models based on target audiences, hone prosodic skills and wait for this mode of communication to be resurrected. If you hope to develop your own appreciation beyond that of Billy Collins, try reading "Beans" as text. Once you've gleaned all you can from it, click on the word "Beans" at the top for a technical analysis which should answer most of your questions. At the very least, you'll understand what others see in it. <br /><br />http://www.firesides.ca/beans.htm<br /><br /> I hope this helps.<br /><br />Earl Gray, EsquirrelEarl the Squirrelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03740374291537401772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3761818636919513619.post-80158779999829851772015-01-28T15:38:19.730-06:002015-01-28T15:38:19.730-06:00I'm afraid I prefer Billy Collins. Are the vi...I'm afraid I prefer Billy Collins. Are the videos supposed to make the poems popular? How many people have viewed the videos? Sorry, I don't see what you're aiming for at all.Kyle Norwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07472175501518232389noreply@blogger.com